Discussion:
Question about Mexiane
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Ian
2009-03-19 11:39:52 UTC
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Following an internal examination of the stomach and oesophagus, I was
put on Mexiane to treat the excess acid in the stomach, reflux.
Took the first on Thursday 27th February, and on the following Monday
evening I was afflicted with diarrhea that was so severe that I did not
make it to the toilet; the bedroom carpet had to be cleaned at a cost of
201 dollars!
I've never known anything like this.
And this diarrhea, or incontinence maybe I should call it, continued for
about 16 days.
I phoned the doctor's nurse following the first attack and she assured
me this medicine did not have such side effects, so I continued to take
it each day.
But as the diarrhea was dehydrating me to a dangerous level even though I
was drinking lots of bottled water,
I took the last one on Monday 10th. I ate nothing from midday on the
Monday to noon on Thursday, three days later.
The diarrhea lessened but continued until last Monday/Tuesday,
during which time I was excreting only liquid.
I've been put on a different, less powerful, medicine and am on the
second day of taking it so it has not had time to prove itself yet.
Now my question is this:
For some 20 or more years I have been in the habit of drinking Scotch,
well watered down with tap water, in the evening.
I probably get through 3 to 5 glasses. One 1.75 liter bottle lasts three
evenings or more.
So, does anyone know for sure if alcohol, even diluted, fights with
Mexiane and could cause that severe diarrhea?
The stomach specialist, when I reported the catastrophic diarrhea,
said none of his patients had experienced this but he'd heard of other
doctors' patients who had.
He was non-committal when I asked if the alcohol could be a factor; said
it was a possibility .
Anyone in here experienced this severe diarrhea when taking this or
any other medicine for reflux?
Bit of background information: I am just turned 70, no stomach trouble
until this reflux thing appeared last fall.
I stopped smoking on April 1st last year, after smoking heavily for 48
years, and my chest and lungs have improved hugely as a result.
I've lost most of the feeling in feet and ankles, the neurologist said
the booze has destroyed the nerves there, it is similar to the
condition diabetics get, peripheral neuropathy.
I've no sight now, two detached retinas; I was diagnosed with high
blood pressure about 2.5 years ago and am controlling it with diovan.
Otherwise, I think I'm in a fairly healthy condition but I know I could
do with more exercise but because of my limited mobility this is
restricted to about six minutes on the treadmill
each day.
Thanks in advance for any light you can throw on the cause of the
diarrhea/Mexiane matter.
--
Ian.
Vanny
2009-03-20 11:10:35 UTC
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Please note that I am not a doctor, but consider myself (like many others on
the internet) a knowledgeable patient and have always striven to maintain a
healthy lifestyle.

With respect to your symptoms, (un)fortunately, they don't do clinical
studies to test medication where the subjects also drink 0.5 l whisky each
day so you are in a class of your own (making) with respect to side-effects
and drug interactions.

A litre of whisky contains 40 units of alcohol and, to avoid serious damage
to health, for a man it is recommended that 21 units per week is not
exceeded. http://www.trafford.knowalcohol.co.uk/About-units/Default.aspx
Your alcohol consumption is in the order of 0.5 litres whisky or 20 units
per day, which is equivalent to 140 units per week.
http://www.bpassoc.org.uk/BloodPressureandyou/Yourlifestyle/Eatingwell/Alcohol

Alcohol consumption also interferes with the absorption of many/most
medication and may increase drug side-effects and drug interactions, thus
alcohol is contraindicated with most medicines. For example, Diovan can
cause diarrhoea and numbness and you are advised to avoid alcohol when on
this drug. http://www.drugs.com/diovan.html High alcohol consumption cause
high blood pressure over time.
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=20340

I have never heard of Mexiane and I have been treated for reflux since early
2003 and been through a few medications in that time. It is not in either of
the drug data bases www.drugs.com or www.rxlist.com I suggest that you look
up the alternative retail name for Mexiane and look it up in the data bases
for side-effects and use the drug interactions feature to check
compatibility with your other medication.

I suspect that the diarrhoea was actually a side-effect in your case. Most
medication taken orally has an effect on the gut. However, it might not have
been due solely to the effect on the gut, but also on the liver, pancreas
and gall bladder and due to drug interactions between your medications plus
the alcohol. If an excess of bile is produced by a sick/irritated liver or
gall bladder and hits the colon this can cause massive diarrhoea. If the
pancreas is sick/irritated and does not produce enough digestive enzyme this
results in undigested food being expelled into the colon, which is not
equipped to cope with such a situation and results in diarrhoea. It is
fairly likely that, as a result of your alcoholism, you have, at a minimum,
a sick liver and/or pancreas. And a mixture of alcohol and powerful drugs is
usually toxic to the body, even more so if the patient has liver damage,
etc.

There are lifestyle changes, which are necessary to adequately manage reflux
(aka GERD): http://www.webmd.com/heartburn-gerd/default.htm
http://www.gicare.com/diseases/GERD.aspx Medication alone will not manage
the condition. Alcohol exacerbates reflux and, in the long term, causes
liver/pancreas/brain/etc. damage, amongst a load of other conditions that I
am sure you know about.

Two good things to come out of it are that you have given smoking and have
lost weight - great for your overall health and a few steps in the right
direction to managing reflux. If you have not been screened for cancer of
the colon within the last few years I suggest that you go for a colonoscopy
because your lifestyle is just geared to causing colon cancer.

I suggest that you read around the subject and then discuss your findings
your doctor before implementing any changes, except of course for giving up
alcohol and following the general GERD lifestyle changes. It is clear that
your current level of alcohol consumption is extremely dangerous and I
suspect that your doctor has broached the subject on more than one occasion,
but he can't force you to stop - that is ultimately your decision.

Vanny
Post by Ian
Following an internal examination of the stomach and oesophagus, I was
put on Mexiane to treat the excess acid in the stomach, reflux.
Took the first on Thursday 27th February, and on the following Monday
evening I was afflicted with diarrhea that was so severe that I did not
make it to the toilet; the bedroom carpet had to be cleaned at a cost of
201 dollars!
I've never known anything like this.
And this diarrhea, or incontinence maybe I should call it, continued for
about 16 days.
I phoned the doctor's nurse following the first attack and she assured
me this medicine did not have such side effects, so I continued to take
it each day.
But as the diarrhea was dehydrating me to a dangerous level even though I
was drinking lots of bottled water,
I took the last one on Monday 10th. I ate nothing from midday on the
Monday to noon on Thursday, three days later.
The diarrhea lessened but continued until last Monday/Tuesday,
during which time I was excreting only liquid.
I've been put on a different, less powerful, medicine and am on the
second day of taking it so it has not had time to prove itself yet.
For some 20 or more years I have been in the habit of drinking Scotch,
well watered down with tap water, in the evening.
I probably get through 3 to 5 glasses. One 1.75 liter bottle lasts three
evenings or more.
So, does anyone know for sure if alcohol, even diluted, fights with
Mexiane and could cause that severe diarrhea?
The stomach specialist, when I reported the catastrophic diarrhea,
said none of his patients had experienced this but he'd heard of other
doctors' patients who had.
He was non-committal when I asked if the alcohol could be a factor; said
it was a possibility .
Anyone in here experienced this severe diarrhea when taking this or
any other medicine for reflux?
Bit of background information: I am just turned 70, no stomach trouble
until this reflux thing appeared last fall.
I stopped smoking on April 1st last year, after smoking heavily for 48
years, and my chest and lungs have improved hugely as a result.
I've lost most of the feeling in feet and ankles, the neurologist said
the booze has destroyed the nerves there, it is similar to the
condition diabetics get, peripheral neuropathy.
I've no sight now, two detached retinas; I was diagnosed with high
blood pressure about 2.5 years ago and am controlling it with diovan.
Otherwise, I think I'm in a fairly healthy condition but I know I could
do with more exercise but because of my limited mobility this is
restricted to about six minutes on the treadmill
each day.
Thanks in advance for any light you can throw on the cause of the
diarrhea/Mexiane matter.
--
Ian.
Ian
2009-03-20 13:54:28 UTC
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Post by Vanny
Please note that I am not a doctor, but consider myself (like many others on
the internet) a knowledgeable patient and have always striven to maintain a
healthy lifestyle.
Ah, we are poles apart then! I'm looking back at some fifty years, from
21 to 70 years, during which I paid little or no attention to my body's
wellbeing.
I was almost never ill and generally only saw a doctor to have my hide
stitched up in a hospital casualty ward (I rode fast motorcycles
throughout most of my twenties).
So I rarely thought about health matters.
Post by Vanny
With respect to your symptoms, (un)fortunately, they don't do clinical
studies to test medication where the subjects also drink 0.5 l whisky each
day so you are in a class of your own (making) with respect to side-effects
and drug interactions.
This recent 16 days of diarrhea is the first time I've noticed any bad
side effects from a medicine.
Post by Vanny
A litre of whisky contains 40 units of alcohol and, to avoid serious damage
to health, for a man it is recommended that 21 units per week is not
exceeded. http://www.trafford.knowalcohol.co.uk/About-units/Default.aspx
Your alcohol consumption is in the order of 0.5 litres whisky or 20 units
per day, which is equivalent to 140 units per week.
http://www.bpassoc.org.uk/BloodPressureandyou/Yourlifestyle/Eatingwell/Alcohol
Oh my gawd! Way over the top..... I'd never heard of this units of
measurement for alcohol.
When doctors have asked me if I drink, I tell them the approximate
number of double Scotches per evening: every one knows what a double is.
I've never attempted to be economical with the truth on this, as I've
heard some heavy drinkers do.
A doctor can only do his job if he has all the possible facts.
Post by Vanny
Alcohol consumption also interferes with the absorption of many/most
medication and may increase drug side-effects and drug interactions, thus
alcohol is contraindicated with most medicines. For example, Diovan can
cause diarrhea and numbness and you are advised to avoid alcohol when on
this drug. http://www.drugs.com/diovan.html High alcohol consumption cause
high blood pressure over time.
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=20340
Hmmm. I wonder why my doctor didn't tell me of this when he first
prescribed diovan.
I am to see him on Wednesday next so I'll ask him about it.
Post by Vanny
I have never heard of Mexiane and I have been treated for reflux since early
2003 and been through a few medications in that time. It is not in either of
the drug data bases www.drugs.com or www.rxlist.com I suggest that you look
up the alternative retail name for Mexiane and look it up in the data bases
for side-effects and use the drug interactions feature to check
compatibility with your other medication.
I'm hoping I have the spelling right: having now no eyesight, I have to
get people to spell the name on a label for me and I didn't do this for
Mexian. I am just spelling it as I hear it spoken: phonetically.
Post by Vanny
I suspect that the diarrhea was actually a side-effect in your case. Most
medication taken orally has an effect on the gut. However, it might not have
been due solely to the effect on the gut, but also on the liver, pancreas
and gall bladder and due to drug interactions between your medications plus
the alcohol. If an excess of bile is produced by a sick/irritated liver or
gall bladder and hits the colon this can cause massive diarrhea. If the
pancreas is sick/irritated and does not produce enough digestive enzyme this
results in undigested food being expelled into the colon, which is not
equipped to cope with such a situation and results in diarrhea. It is
fairly likely that, as a result of your alcoholism, you have, at a minimum,
a sick liver and/or pancreas. And a mixture of alcohol and powerful drugs is
usually toxic to the body, even more so if the patient has liver damage,
etc.
Astonishingly, after each blood test ordered by my doctor or in a
hospital ER, I've always asked about the liver, knowing of course about
cirrhosis, and every time the reply has been, No, the liver is just
fine.
Apparently if a liver is unhealthy or damaged, it shows up in blood
sample analysis.
Up to now, all my blood tests have been really excellent, with only
little things like slight anemia or lack of iron being reported.
For a man of seventy, who's led an often dangerous and recklessly
unhealthy life, this seems like a miracle to me.
Post by Vanny
There are lifestyle changes, which are necessary to adequately manage reflux
(aka GERD): http://www.webmd.com/heartburn-gerd/default.htm
http://www.gicare.com/diseases/GERD.aspx Medication alone will not manage
the condition. Alcohol exacerbates reflux and, in the long term, causes
liver/pancreas/brain/etc. damage, amongst a load of other conditions that I
am sure you know about.
Only the cirrhosis of the liver really, and now I know about the loss of
nerve fiber in the feet I now have.
Changes in lifestyle for the reflux:
the stomach specialist said on my visit last Tuesday that I should avoid
fatty food, when I asked about altering my diet.
Since as long as I can remember, I've been enjoying fried food, fried in
a frying pan in lard, that is, animal fat. Most Americans, see this as
akin to gulping down strychnine,as they are very nervous about
cholesterol.But all my blood tests have showed very good cholesterol numbers.
Doesn't make sense, but there it is.
Post by Vanny
Two good things to come out of it are that you have given up smoking and have
lost weight - great for your overall health and a few steps in the right
direction to managing reflux. If you have not been screened for cancer of
the colon within the last few years I suggest that you go for a colonoscopy
because your lifestyle is just geared to causing colon cancer.
I did have one about nine years ago, at my GP's suggestion when I first
went to see him on arriving in Texas. He was surprised I'd never had
one: he was thinking about polyps which I've learned are quite common in
the States but I don't think are in britain.
The same stomach specialist who is treating the reflux did it, and found
no polyps.
On my seeing him lastmonth, he said he didn't think itnecessary to do
another colonoscopy.
And yes, he is aware that I am a heavy drinker. However, I'll ask him on
my next visit next month, about your point.
Someone I spoke to today confirmed that drinkers do suffer a higher
incidence of colon cancer; I'd never heard of this before.
Post by Vanny
I suggest that you read around the subject and then discuss your findings
your doctor before implementing any changes, except of course for giving up
alcohol and following the general GERD lifestyle changes. It is clear that
your current level of alcohol consumption is extremely dangerous and I
suspect that your doctor has broached the subject on more than one occasion,
but he can't force you to stop - that is ultimately your decision.
Oddly, my GP has never once spoken to me about stopping smoking or
drinking, over the ten years I've been seeing him.
And similarly no specialist I've seen over the last ten years here in the
States has either. Ditto the ER doctors in the hospital I was in a few
times last year.
But when I was in for .... dehydration, or dangerously high blood
pressure I thinkit was, told me on December 31st that he was prescribing
a medicine and I should skip the alcohol for that evening.
This was New Year's Eve! Andall Scotsmencelebrate it with out fail....
So I left the Scotch alone that evening and at midnight, poured out a
token amoungt and just took a tiny sip, then put the rest away.
In England, a doctor seeing me for the first time, noticing the
two mahogany-brown fingers on my left hand, would suggest I cut down or
stop. But of course no addict pays any heed to such advice. Nicotine is
maybe the strongest addiction ever, at least it was for me.
I feel quite pleased with myself for succeeding in kicking the
habit/addiction
Post by Vanny
Vanny
Well, many thanks for your knowledgeable information and suggestions;
much food for thought there!
I'll take the liberty of printing your f/up out, leaving off any id,
and show it to my GP next week, and we can have a talk about my
situation.
Mind you, he remarked about a year ago, that he sees many patients in my
age range, and they are taking masses of medicines just to keep going.
And last December, when I remarked I would soon be seventy, he told me
jovially that I was doing very well.
And after ten years of treating me, he is well informed about my state
of health.
So who knows, maybe I've been amazingly lucky. After all, 48 years of
really heavy smoking, it appears, have done very little harm to my
lungs. A little emphysema was diagnosed ten years ago but it appears
not to have grown to any noticeable extent.
After almost a year of not smoking, I am completely free of chronic
coughing, no longer get all out of breath as I did a year ago, and I'm
told the various x-rays and scans I've had over the last year show my
lungs to be in good shape. Some healing process has taken place in there
I think.
I find all this almost incredible: if I was a religious type, I'd be down on
my knees every day thanking God for it.
--
Ian.
trigonometry1972@gmail.com |
2009-03-21 03:48:43 UTC
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Post by Vanny
Please note that I am not a doctor, but consider myself (like many others on
the internet) a knowledgeable patient and have always striven to maintain a
healthy lifestyle.
Ah,  we are poles apart then!  I'm looking back at some fifty years, from
21 to 70 years, during which I paid little or no attention to my body's
wellbeing.
I was almost never ill and generally only saw a doctor to have my hide
stitched up in a hospital   casualty ward (I rode fast motorcycles
throughout most of my twenties).
So I rarely thought about health matters.
Post by Vanny
With respect to your symptoms, (un)fortunately, they don't do clinical
studies to test medication where the subjects also drink 0.5 l whisky each
day so you are in a class of your own (making) with respect to side-effects
and drug interactions.
This recent 16 days of diarrhea is the first time I've noticed any bad
side effects from a medicine.
Post by Vanny
A litre of whisky contains 40 units of alcohol and, to avoid serious damage
to health, for a man it is recommended that 21 units per week is not
exceeded.http://www.trafford.knowalcohol.co.uk/About-units/Default.aspx
Your alcohol consumption is in the order of 0.5 litres whisky or 20 units
per day, which is equivalent to 140 units per week.
http://www.bpassoc.org.uk/BloodPressureandyou/Yourlifestyle/Eatingwel...
Oh my gawd! Way over the top..... I'd never heard of this units of
measurement for alcohol.
When doctors  have asked me if I drink, I tell them the approximate
number of double Scotches per evening: every one knows what a double is.
I've never attempted to be economical with the truth on this,   as I've
heard some heavy drinkers do.
A doctor can only do his job if he has all the possible facts.
Post by Vanny
Alcohol consumption also interferes with the absorption of many/most
medication and may increase drug side-effects and drug interactions, thus
alcohol is contraindicated with most medicines. For example, Diovan can
cause diarrhea and numbness and you are advised to avoid alcohol when on
this drug.http://www.drugs.com/diovan.htmlHigh alcohol consumption cause
high blood pressure over time.
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=20340
Hmmm.  I wonder why my doctor didn't tell me of this when he first
prescribed diovan.
I am to see him on Wednesday next so I'll ask him about it.
Post by Vanny
I have never heard of Mexiane and I have been treated for reflux since early
2003 and been through a few medications in that time. It is not in either of
the drug data baseswww.drugs.comorwww.rxlist.com I suggest that you look
up the alternative retail name for Mexiane and look it up in the data bases
for side-effects and use the drug interactions feature to check
compatibility with your other medication.
I'm hoping I have the spelling right: having now no eyesight, I have to
get people to spell the name on a label for me and I didn't do this for
Mexian. I am just spelling it as I hear  it spoken: phonetically.
Post by Vanny
I suspect that the diarrhea was actually a side-effect in your case. Most
medication taken orally has an effect on the gut. However, it might not have
been due solely to the effect on the gut, but also on the liver, pancreas
and gall bladder and due to drug interactions between your medications plus
the alcohol. If an excess of bile is produced by a sick/irritated liver or
gall bladder and hits the colon this can cause massive diarrhea. If the
pancreas is sick/irritated and does not produce enough digestive enzyme this
results in undigested food being expelled into the colon, which is not
equipped to cope with such a situation and results in diarrhea. It is
fairly likely that, as a result of your alcoholism, you have, at a minimum,
a sick liver and/or pancreas. And a mixture of alcohol and powerful drugs is
usually toxic to the body, even more so if the patient has liver damage,
etc.
Astonishingly, after each blood test ordered by my doctor or in a
hospital ER, I've always asked about the liver,  knowing of course about
cirrhosis, and every time the reply has been, No, the liver is just
fine.
Apparently if a liver is unhealthy or damaged, it shows up in blood
sample analysis.
Up to now, all my blood tests have been really excellent, with only
little things like slight anemia or lack of iron being reported.
For a man of seventy, who's led an often dangerous and recklessly
unhealthy life, this seems like a miracle to me.
Post by Vanny
There are lifestyle changes, which are necessary to adequately manage reflux
(aka GERD):  http://www.webmd.com/heartburn-gerd/default.htm
http://www.gicare.com/diseases/GERD.aspx Medication alone will not manage
the condition. Alcohol exacerbates reflux and, in the long term, causes
liver/pancreas/brain/etc. damage, amongst a load of other conditions that I
am sure you know about.
Only the cirrhosis of the liver really, and now I know about the loss of
nerve fiber in the feet I now have.
the stomach specialist said on my visit last Tuesday that I should avoid
fatty food, when I asked about  altering my diet.
Since as long as I can remember, I've been enjoying fried food, fried in
a frying pan in lard, that is,  animal fat. Most Americans,  see this as
akin to gulping down strychnine,as they are very nervous about
cholesterol.But all my blood tests have showed very good cholesterol numbers.
Doesn't make sense, but there it is.
Post by Vanny
Two good things to come out of it are that you have given up smoking and have
lost weight - great for your overall health and a few steps in the right
direction to managing reflux. If you have not been screened for cancer of
the colon within the last few years I suggest that you go for a colonoscopy
because your lifestyle is just geared to causing colon cancer.
I did have one about nine years ago, at my GP's suggestion when I first
 went to see him on arriving in Texas. He was surprised I'd never had
one: he was thinking about polyps which I've learned are quite common in
the States but I don't think are in britain.
The same stomach specialist who is treating the reflux did it, and found
no polyps.
On my seeing him lastmonth, he said  he didn't think itnecessary to do
another colonoscopy.
And yes, he is aware that I am a heavy drinker. However, I'll ask him on
my next visit next month, about your point.
Someone I spoke to today confirmed that drinkers do suffer a higher
incidence of colon cancer;  I'd never heard of this before.
Post by Vanny
I suggest that you read around the subject and then discuss your findings
your doctor before implementing any changes, except of course for giving up
alcohol and following the general GERD lifestyle changes. It is clear that
your current level of alcohol consumption is extremely dangerous and I
suspect that your doctor has broached the subject on more than one occasion,
but he can't force you to stop - that is ultimately your decision.
Oddly, my GP has never once spoken to me about stopping smoking or
drinking, over the ten years I've been seeing him.
And similarly no specialist I've seen over the last ten years here in the
States has either. Ditto the ER doctors in the hospital I was in a few
times last year.
But when I was in for .... dehydration, or dangerously high blood
pressure I thinkit was, told me on December 31st that he was prescribing
a medicine and I should skip the alcohol for that evening.
This was New Year's Eve!  Andall Scotsmencelebrate it with out fail....
So I left the Scotch alone that evening and  at midnight, poured  out a
token amoungt and just took a tiny sip, then put the rest away.
In England, a doctor seeing me for the first time, noticing the
two mahogany-brown fingers on my left hand, would suggest I cut down or
stop. But of course no addict pays any heed to such advice. Nicotine is
maybe the strongest addiction ever,  at least it was for me.
I feel quite pleased with myself for succeeding in kicking the
habit/addiction> Vanny
Well, many thanks for your knowledgeable information and suggestions;
much food for thought there!
I'll  take the liberty of printing your f/up out, leaving off any id,
and show it to my GP next week, and we can have a talk about my
situation.
Mind you, he remarked about a year ago, that he sees many patients in my
age range, and they are taking masses of medicines just to keep going.
And last December, when I remarked  I would soon be seventy, he told me
jovially that I was doing very well.
And after ten years of treating me,  he is well informed about my state
of health.
So who knows,  maybe I've been amazingly lucky.  After all, 48 years of
really heavy smoking,  it appears, have done very little harm to my
lungs.  A little emphysema was diagnosed ten years ago but it appears
not to have grown to any noticeable extent.
After almost a year of not smoking, I am completely free of chronic
coughing, no longer get all out of breath as I did a year ago, and I'm
told the various x-rays and scans I've had over the last year show my
lungs to be in good shape. Some healing process has taken place in there
I think.
I find all this almost incredible: if I was a religious type,  I'd be down on
my knees every day thanking God for it.
--
 Ian.
Perhaps the drug was Aciphex rather than "Mexaine"?

I'll suggest the diarrhea could be the result of taking
the anti-heartburn/acid suppression drug. Are you
in the States? Brand names for the same drug
vary somewhat between nations and languages.

Further, I'll suggest to you that suppression
of acid may not be what you need. You may
need more acid. Hard to believe I know so
I'll suggest you talk to an alternative medicine
provider and ask about the use of betaine
HCL capsules with pepsin to increase stomach
acidity and improve stomach motility. Also
do a search on Pubmed with search words
GERD and melatonin. There is some evidence that
6 milligrams of melatonin may also help
prevent esophageal inflammation.

I haven't needed a PPI med approaching 5 years
now. The PPI class med such as Prilosec and
Aciphex while blocking the burning left me with
dyspeptic and ill. The longer one takes these
meds the greater the adverse effects. I
took PPI meds i.e. Aciphex and H-2 acid reducers i.e. Pepcid
for the better part of a decade. What a mistake!!
They made me sick due to adverse effects.

And by the way betaine is really really good for
the liver even in the face of harm from ethanol
intake according to animal studies and human
studies as I recall.

Warning: I am not a Doc nor do I play one
on TV. Get an alternative medicine provider
as on this topic the conventional model of
the disease and the modes of treatment
are clumsy and flawed, IMO.

You'll find I and Vanny have different
views on some points. But in fairness
Vanny she has a longer list of medical problems.
I only had GERD, NERD (yes that is
also a relevant acronym) and dyspepsia
thru time and Doctor's visits. That is to
say expressions of the same problem in
differing ways or degrees.

Trig
Vanny
2009-03-21 12:27:08 UTC
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Well, I am pleased that you took my e-mail in the spirit it was meant, i.e.
to give you food for thought and a few pointers for you to discuss with your
doc.

Hang on a minute while I get down from my podium ;-)

As a lady who is half Scottish and half English and who has a strong
allegiance to Scotland (but a very English accent and currently living in
Germany) I must admit that I was really shocked by your whisky abuse - as
the national drink of Scotland it is meant to be savoured not knocked back.
My favourites include Cutty Sark and Glenmorangie, but I can't drink now
because of the GERD and my meds.

You are very fortunate in that you have a strong genetic make up - perhaps
you should rather get down on your knees to your parents for that. A vast
number of patients of your age are on several different medications for a
number of chronic illnesses. You can certainly consider yourself a medical
marvel. My grandfather smoked and drank in moderation and was never sick in
his life. However, he might have forgotten that he had been sick because he
died of Alzheimer's at around 85 years old.

I have been very health oriented for the majority of my life, but as sick as
a dog for most of it - Crohn's disease - an (auto)immune disease in which
(generally) patches of the gut ends up attacked by the body's own immune
cells. I have always thought that it was a shame that one couldn't sue one's
own parents for passing on dodgy genes to one. However, I have been advised
that it wouldn't stand up in court because of lack of (criminal) intent and
I neither blame them (well not too much) nor any virtual, whited-robed,
benign-smiling individual standing on a cloud for my health problems.

With respect to side-effects of medicines, it is unlikely that a patient
will experience all of the known side-effects and at the other end of the
spectrum some patients will seldom experience side-effects or tolerate a
particular medicine without experiencing any side-effects at all. With your
strong constitution and excellent biochemistry I suspect that you generally
fall in the latter group. I am someone who usually experiences both the
common and the really rare side-effects that hit only 1 in 10,000 patients
or so. I hope that you have fathered hundreds of children to increase the
general viability and robustness of the human genetic pool. You will be
pleased to hear that I have not set any weak, sickly children into the
world.

I reckon that you were put on Nexium (aka Esomeprazole), which sounds a bit
like Mexiane. This is a proton pump inhibitor (PPI) - one of a handful of
its kind and 'state of the art' for the treatment of GERD. Diarrhoea is a
common side-effect and alcohol is known to exacerbate the side-effects
http://www.drugs.com/cdi/esomeprazole.html Pharmaceutical companies
sometimes only include the very common side-effects in their patient
information leaflets with the rarer side-effects ignored. The www.drugs.com
and www.rxlist.com data bases are very good for listing the majority of the
side-effects of the various drugs in addition to drug interactions.
Unfortunately, there does not seem to be a single source of comprehensive
information and one has to hunt around for the pertinent article or
information. Please note that PPIs can also result in increased liver
enzymes - my very low liver enzyme values doubled in 2003 when I first
started on PPIs, but they were still well within the norm values.

Many doctors don't tend to discuss potential side-effects with patients due
to time constraints and the fact that an absolute minority of patients are
very suggestive, i.e. you describe a symptom and then they have it. However,
it is also my experience that most doctors are not aware of the side-effects
of the medications they prescribe - let's face it, it is an awful lot of
information to keep in one's head, but that is also why there are (internet)
data bases and patient information leaflets. For example, my doctor did not
recognise that the chronic hepatitis - elevated liver enzymes since May
2007, which resulted in intermittent liver pains from July 2008 and the
acute pancreatitis in October 2008 were side-effects of the chemotherapy -
well-documented side-effects of any chemo.

You might like to ask your doc. to check your pancreatic function - e.g.
blood lipase and amylase levels:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_pancreatitis You don't have to be
experiencing any pain for the/any organ to be chronically dysfunctional.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_pancreatitis

Be aware that some 30-40% of patients with pancreatic disease do not show
any changes in their blood lipase and amylase levels. Pancreatitis pains are
excrutiating and, in my case, combined with hepatitis and hepatic
parenchymal cell damage (as determined by ultrasound) this meant that I
couldn't take any pain killers so that was challenging. I stopped the chemo
at the beginning of December last year and my liver enzymes are now more or
less normal - down from 3-10 times what they should have been. I should have
been on the chemo for at least 4 years, but only managed just over two
years.

It was my understanding that doctors were notorious for being among the
heaviest drinkers and smokers due to the stresses of the job. However, on
googling the subject (thank goodness for the internet) I stand corrected and
it appears that this is an urban myth and doctors do not drink any more than
the general population
http://student.bmj.com/issues/06/07/education/276.php On the other hand, it
might well be that your current doctor is not too concerned about your
drinking because he also enjoys a tipple every evening. In addition, a lot
of patients in advanced years drink considerable amounts of alcohol in
addition to downing several different types of pills. Some doctors turn a
blind eye to this because they don't want to remove one of or perhaps the
only remaining source of joy from the elderly folk.
http://www.choosehelp.com/alcoholism/its-never-too-late-for-help-alcohol-abuse-and-the-elderly

Alcohol is listed as a carcinogen (cancer causing) by the USA DHSS.
http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/cancer/a/aa000520.htm

Interestingly enough, I read recently that beer is more likely to cause
colon cancer than spirits.However, the literature is conflicting with more
than 9 shots of spirits per week tripling the risk of colon cancer
http://coloncancer.about.com/od/faqs/f/Alcohol.htm Drinking undiluted
shorts is particularly associated with cancer of the upper gastrointestinal
tract: tongue, throat, oesophagua, stomach, etc.

You might want to read this:
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/alcohol-abuse/alcohol-abuse-and-dependence-when-to-call-a-doctor

I also had a motorbike - don't laugh - a Honda CG125, but I was feted as the
slowest rider in my learner class due to the great stability of the bike. I
swapped bikes with one of the other girls in the class and tried to slow
ride her Harley Davidson , but it was incredibly difficult to maintain
balance on it at a slow pace.

Interestingly enough I have a friend in Scotland of all places who is a
binge drinker (beer) and he has just had a diagnosis of anaemia with his
liver enyzymes perfect. He has been told to eat dried apricots amongst other
things http://www.healthcastle.com/iron.shtml. He doesn't want to take iron
supplements because they cause constipation. I take and iron and vitamin C
fizzy tablet in water each morning - vitamin C aids absorption of iron in
the body and the bicarbonate in the fizzy tablet helps my GERD to the extent
that I only take Omeprazole every 3-4 days - I am on a strict GERD diet.

I hope that your doctor gets you sorted out.

Vanny
Post by Ian
Post by Vanny
Please note that I am not a doctor, but consider myself (like many others on
the internet) a knowledgeable patient and have always striven to maintain a
healthy lifestyle.
Ah, we are poles apart then! I'm looking back at some fifty years, from
21 to 70 years, during which I paid little or no attention to my body's
wellbeing.
I was almost never ill and generally only saw a doctor to have my hide
stitched up in a hospital casualty ward (I rode fast motorcycles
throughout most of my twenties).
So I rarely thought about health matters.
Post by Vanny
With respect to your symptoms, (un)fortunately, they don't do clinical
studies to test medication where the subjects also drink 0.5 l whisky each
day so you are in a class of your own (making) with respect to side-effects
and drug interactions.
This recent 16 days of diarrhea is the first time I've noticed any bad
side effects from a medicine.
Post by Vanny
A litre of whisky contains 40 units of alcohol and, to avoid serious damage
to health, for a man it is recommended that 21 units per week is not
exceeded. http://www.trafford.knowalcohol.co.uk/About-units/Default.aspx
Your alcohol consumption is in the order of 0.5 litres whisky or 20 units
per day, which is equivalent to 140 units per week.
http://www.bpassoc.org.uk/BloodPressureandyou/Yourlifestyle/Eatingwell/Alcohol
Oh my gawd! Way over the top..... I'd never heard of this units of
measurement for alcohol.
When doctors have asked me if I drink, I tell them the approximate
number of double Scotches per evening: every one knows what a double is.
I've never attempted to be economical with the truth on this, as I've
heard some heavy drinkers do.
A doctor can only do his job if he has all the possible facts.
Post by Vanny
Alcohol consumption also interferes with the absorption of many/most
medication and may increase drug side-effects and drug interactions, thus
alcohol is contraindicated with most medicines. For example, Diovan can
cause diarrhea and numbness and you are advised to avoid alcohol when on
this drug. http://www.drugs.com/diovan.html High alcohol consumption cause
high blood pressure over time.
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=20340
Hmmm. I wonder why my doctor didn't tell me of this when he first
prescribed diovan.
I am to see him on Wednesday next so I'll ask him about it.
Post by Vanny
I have never heard of Mexiane and I have been treated for reflux since early
2003 and been through a few medications in that time. It is not in either of
the drug data bases www.drugs.com or www.rxlist.com I suggest that you look
up the alternative retail name for Mexiane and look it up in the data bases
for side-effects and use the drug interactions feature to check
compatibility with your other medication.
I'm hoping I have the spelling right: having now no eyesight, I have to
get people to spell the name on a label for me and I didn't do this for
Mexian. I am just spelling it as I hear it spoken: phonetically.
Post by Vanny
I suspect that the diarrhea was actually a side-effect in your case. Most
medication taken orally has an effect on the gut. However, it might not have
been due solely to the effect on the gut, but also on the liver, pancreas
and gall bladder and due to drug interactions between your medications plus
the alcohol. If an excess of bile is produced by a sick/irritated liver or
gall bladder and hits the colon this can cause massive diarrhea. If the
pancreas is sick/irritated and does not produce enough digestive enzyme this
results in undigested food being expelled into the colon, which is not
equipped to cope with such a situation and results in diarrhea. It is
fairly likely that, as a result of your alcoholism, you have, at a minimum,
a sick liver and/or pancreas. And a mixture of alcohol and powerful drugs is
usually toxic to the body, even more so if the patient has liver damage,
etc.
Astonishingly, after each blood test ordered by my doctor or in a
hospital ER, I've always asked about the liver, knowing of course about
cirrhosis, and every time the reply has been, No, the liver is just
fine.
Apparently if a liver is unhealthy or damaged, it shows up in blood
sample analysis.
Up to now, all my blood tests have been really excellent, with only
little things like slight anemia or lack of iron being reported.
For a man of seventy, who's led an often dangerous and recklessly
unhealthy life, this seems like a miracle to me.
Post by Vanny
There are lifestyle changes, which are necessary to adequately manage reflux
(aka GERD): http://www.webmd.com/heartburn-gerd/default.htm
http://www.gicare.com/diseases/GERD.aspx Medication alone will not manage
the condition. Alcohol exacerbates reflux and, in the long term, causes
liver/pancreas/brain/etc. damage, amongst a load of other conditions that I
am sure you know about.
Only the cirrhosis of the liver really, and now I know about the loss of
nerve fiber in the feet I now have.
the stomach specialist said on my visit last Tuesday that I should avoid
fatty food, when I asked about altering my diet.
Since as long as I can remember, I've been enjoying fried food, fried in
a frying pan in lard, that is, animal fat. Most Americans, see this as
akin to gulping down strychnine,as they are very nervous about
cholesterol.But all my blood tests have showed very good cholesterol numbers.
Doesn't make sense, but there it is.
Post by Vanny
Two good things to come out of it are that you have given up smoking and have
lost weight - great for your overall health and a few steps in the right
direction to managing reflux. If you have not been screened for cancer of
the colon within the last few years I suggest that you go for a colonoscopy
because your lifestyle is just geared to causing colon cancer.
I did have one about nine years ago, at my GP's suggestion when I first
went to see him on arriving in Texas. He was surprised I'd never had
one: he was thinking about polyps which I've learned are quite common in
the States but I don't think are in britain.
The same stomach specialist who is treating the reflux did it, and found
no polyps.
On my seeing him lastmonth, he said he didn't think itnecessary to do
another colonoscopy.
And yes, he is aware that I am a heavy drinker. However, I'll ask him on
my next visit next month, about your point.
Someone I spoke to today confirmed that drinkers do suffer a higher
incidence of colon cancer; I'd never heard of this before.
Post by Vanny
I suggest that you read around the subject and then discuss your findings
your doctor before implementing any changes, except of course for giving up
alcohol and following the general GERD lifestyle changes. It is clear that
your current level of alcohol consumption is extremely dangerous and I
suspect that your doctor has broached the subject on more than one occasion,
but he can't force you to stop - that is ultimately your decision.
Oddly, my GP has never once spoken to me about stopping smoking or
drinking, over the ten years I've been seeing him.
And similarly no specialist I've seen over the last ten years here in the
States has either. Ditto the ER doctors in the hospital I was in a few
times last year.
But when I was in for .... dehydration, or dangerously high blood
pressure I thinkit was, told me on December 31st that he was prescribing
a medicine and I should skip the alcohol for that evening.
This was New Year's Eve! Andall Scotsmencelebrate it with out fail....
So I left the Scotch alone that evening and at midnight, poured out a
token amoungt and just took a tiny sip, then put the rest away.
In England, a doctor seeing me for the first time, noticing the
two mahogany-brown fingers on my left hand, would suggest I cut down or
stop. But of course no addict pays any heed to such advice. Nicotine is
maybe the strongest addiction ever, at least it was for me.
I feel quite pleased with myself for succeeding in kicking the
habit/addiction
Post by Vanny
Vanny
Well, many thanks for your knowledgeable information and suggestions;
much food for thought there!
I'll take the liberty of printing your f/up out, leaving off any id,
and show it to my GP next week, and we can have a talk about my
situation.
Mind you, he remarked about a year ago, that he sees many patients in my
age range, and they are taking masses of medicines just to keep going.
And last December, when I remarked I would soon be seventy, he told me
jovially that I was doing very well.
And after ten years of treating me, he is well informed about my state
of health.
So who knows, maybe I've been amazingly lucky. After all, 48 years of
really heavy smoking, it appears, have done very little harm to my
lungs. A little emphysema was diagnosed ten years ago but it appears
not to have grown to any noticeable extent.
After almost a year of not smoking, I am completely free of chronic
coughing, no longer get all out of breath as I did a year ago, and I'm
told the various x-rays and scans I've had over the last year show my
lungs to be in good shape. Some healing process has taken place in there
I think.
I find all this almost incredible: if I was a religious type, I'd be down on
my knees every day thanking God for it.
--
Ian.
Ian
2009-03-27 15:15:08 UTC
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Post by Vanny
Well, I am pleased that you took my e-mail in the spirit it was meant, i.e.
to give you food for thought and a few pointers for you to discuss with your
doc.
I've had to postpone my appointment of last Wednesday to next
wednesday, thanks to the stupid incompetency of the agency who was
supposed to supply a can and driver.
Post by Vanny
As a lady who is half Scottish and half English and who has a strong
allegiance to Scotland (but a very English accent and currently living in
Germany) I must admit that I was really shocked by your whisky abuse - as
the national drink of Scotland it is meant to be savored not knocked back.
My favorites include Cutty Sark and Glenmorangie, but I can't drink now
because of the GERD and my meds.
Ah - this explains the excellent English. Seeing you were posting from
Germany, I almost commented don it.
Fraid I never did go in for the savoring Scotch like it was a fine
wine. I've always just drunk it to help me relax, unwind.
Post by Vanny
You are very fortunate in that you have a strong genetic make up - perhaps
you should rather get down on your knees to your parents for that. A vast
number of patients of your age are on several different medications for a
number of chronic illnesses. You can certainly consider yourself a medical
marvel. My grandfather smoked and drank in moderation and was never sick in
his life. However, he might have forgotten that he had been sick because he
died of Alzheimer's at around 85 years old.
Something's going to get you eventually.
Yes, I concluded some decades ago that I must have had two sets of genes
that were excellent, and a first class immune system too.
My sister, in England, is 83 and in excellent health, walks about 3/4 of
a mile to the local shops and back most days, and the only medicine
she is on if for some bone mass loss, I think.
Post by Vanny
I have been very health oriented for the majority of my life, but as sick as
a dog for most of it - Crohn's disease - an (auto)immune disease in which
(generally) patches of the gut ends up attacked by the body's own immune
cells. I have always thought that it was a shame that one couldn't sue one's
own parents for passing on dodgy genes to one. However, I have been advised
that it wouldn't stand up in court because of lack of (criminal) intent and
I neither blame them (well not too much) nor any virtual, whited-robed,
benign-smiling individual standing on a cloud for my health problems.
I never heard of that self-destructive condition, except in patients who
have had a transplant and are dosed with immunity suppressing drugs to
stop it attacking the foreign body.
Post by Vanny
With respect to side-effects of medicines, it is unlikely that a patient
will experience all of the known side-effects and at the other end of the
spectrum some patients will seldom experience side-effects or tolerate a
particular medicine without experiencing any side-effects at all. With your
strong constitution and excellent biochemistry I suspect that you generally
fall in the latter group. I am someone who usually experiences both the
common and the really rare side-effects that hit only 1 in 10,000 patients
or so. I hope that you have fathered hundreds of children to increase the
general viability and robustness of the human genetic pool. You will be
pleased to hear that I have not set any weak, sickly children into the
world.
Nope, no children! Reason is , I dislike kids and dogs, so chose to
stay single until ten years ago.
Post by Vanny
I reckon that you were put on Nexium (aka Esomeprazole), which sounds a bit
like Mexiane. This is a proton pump inhibitor (PPI) - one of a handful of
its kind and 'state of the art' for the treatment of GERD. Diarrhea is a
common side-effect and alcohol is known to exacerbate the side-effects
http://www.drugs.com/cdi/esomeprazole.html Pharmaceutical companies
sometimes only include the very common side-effects in their patient
information leaflets with the rarer side-effects ignored. The www.drugs.com
and www.rxlist.com data bases are very good for listing the majority of the
side-effects of the various drugs in addition to drug interactions.
Unfortunately, there does not seem to be a single source of comprehensive
information and one has to hunt around for the pertinent article or
information. Please note that PPIs can also result in increased liver
enzymes - my very low liver enzyme values doubled in 2003 when I first
started on PPIs, but they were still well within the norm values.
That terrible diarrhea has ceased at last, it lasted exactly three weeks
and I was dehydrated as the Sahara; I was drinking bottled water almost
constantly to replace the liquid lost.
You'll see there is another post in here that corroborates my experience.
Post by Vanny
Many doctors don't tend to discuss potential side-effects with patients due
to time constraints and the fact that an absolute minority of patients are
very suggestive, i.e. you describe a symptom and then they have it. However,
it is also my experience that most doctors are not aware of the side-effects
of the medications they prescribe - let's face it, it is an awful lot of
information to keep in one's head, but that is also why there are (internet)
data bases and patient information leaflets. For example, my doctor did not
recognize that the chronic hepatitis - elevated liver enzymes since May
2007, which resulted in intermittent liver pains from July 2008 and the
acute pancreatitis in October 2008 were side-effects of the chemotherapy -
well-documented side-effects of any chemo.
I've heard of chemotherapy affecting liver and kidneys and so on. It's
powerful stuff.
My stomach specialist said he had heard of other doctors' patients
experiencing bad diarrhea but none of his had reported it.
Post by Vanny
You might like to ask your doc. to check your pancreatic function - e.g.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_pancreatitis You don't have to be
experiencing any pain for the/any organ to be chronically dysfunctional.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_pancreatitis
Be aware that some 30-40% of patients with pancreatic disease do not show
any changes in their blood lipase and amylase levels. Pancreatitis pains are
excrutiating and, in my case, combined with hepatitis and hepatic
parenchymal cell damage (as determined by ultrasound) this meant that I
couldn't take any pain killers so that was challenging. I stopped the chemo
at the beginning of December last year and my liver enzymes are now more or
less normal - down from 3-10 times what they should have been. I should have
been on the chemo for at least 4 years, but only managed just over two
years.
Lord, you have been through the mill! I honestly couldn't tell you
where my pancreas lives, in the region of the stomach I'd guess.
I haven't experienced much pain in the middle except when the stomach
acid began to make its presence known, from about October last year; I
was s till eating lots of fried food then. I was getting little stabs
of pain in the stomach, a few really quite sharp but shorted.
I haven't eaten any fried food for about 4 weeks at least and am hopeful
this alone will reduce the acid content down there.
Post by Vanny
It was my understanding that doctors were notorious for being among the
heaviest drinkers and smokers due to the stresses of the job. However, on
googling the subject (thank goodness for the internet) I stand corrected and
it appears that this is an urban myth and doctors do not drink any more than
the general population
http://student.bmj.com/issues/06/07/education/276.php On the other hand, it
I'd heard this of British doctors, also that their suicide rate is
higher than the average.
Post by Vanny
might well be that your current doctor is not too concerned about your
drinking because he also enjoys a tipple every evening. In addition, a lot
of patients in advanced years drink considerable amounts of alcohol in
addition to downing several different types of pills. Some doctors turn a
blind eye to this because they don't want to remove one of or perhaps the
only remaining source of joy from the elderly folk.
http://www.choose help.com/alcoholism/its-never-too-late-for-help-alcohol-abuse-a
nd-the-elderly
Don't know about joy! I find nowadays it just makes me sleepy.
Post by Vanny
Alcohol is listed as a carcinogen (cancer causing) by the USA DHSS.
http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/cancer/a/aa000520.htm
Interestingly enough, I read recently that beer is more likely to cause
colon cancer than spirits.However, the literature is conflicting with more
than 9 shots of spirits per week tripling the risk of colon cancer
http://colon cancer.about.com/od/faqs/f/Alcohol.htm Drinking undiluted
shorts is particularly associated with cancer of the upper gastrointestinal
tract: tongue, throat, oesophagus, stomach, etc.
Taken neat, it is a powerful toxic liquid: almost everyone who takes a
first time drink spews up soon after, as the body tries to expel the
poison.
However if you persevere, the body adapts and learns to accept it. I
don't even get a hangover in the mornings now, as my system now accepts
the daily alcohol intake as normal.
I think I stood a far greater chance of getting cancer, lung cancer,
from my heavy smoking all those years.
I didn't smoke until age 21, and I've heard that it is smoking at an
earlier age, say 12 or 4, that can lay the foundation for serious lung
diseases in later life.
Post by Vanny
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/alcohol-abuse/alcohol-abuse-and-dependence-wh
en-to-call-a-doctor
My GP remarked last year, when the owner of a small agency I'd briefly
used for assistance sent me a very strange email in which he threatened
to report me to the State authorities as being incompetent to live
alone, that if necessary he would vouch for my mental status.
I think my mental state is as good as it ever was; I have no financial
worries, no debt, 3 year old house bought and paid for. So I'm not,
unlike so many in those weird economic times, am suffering no stress or
anxiety. You'll agree, I am sure, that mental stress, worry, anxiety,
etc, can seriously affect the working of the physical body in time.
Post by Vanny
I also had a motorbike - don't laugh - a Honda CG125, but I was feted as the
slowest rider in my learner class due to the great stability of the bike. I
swapped bikes with one of the other girls in the class and tried to slow
ride her Harley Davidson , but it was incredibly difficult to maintain
balance on it at a slow pace.
Yep, the heavier machines do need a minimum forward momentum to
roll on without trying to topple over. I was mainly yon Nortons, from 500
cc to, briefly, 650 cc.
I remember hearing way back, after I'd come off the road and becoming a
respectable citizen instead of a black clad rebel, that driving classes
for new riders had come in. I had to smile, because when I went to
collect my first machine, a (blush blush) Vespa 125 cc scooter, all I
got was instructions from the salesman outside the shop as to how to
operate clutch lever, throttle and brakes! I set off, somehow got it
across a main road and then after a half mile the engine suddenly
stopped. I pushed it into a filling station and asked the attendant
there for help. He looked in the fuel tank and smothered a laugh and
told me I was out of fuel, and showed me how to work the reserve lever.
Well, we all have to start somewhere...
Post by Vanny
Interestingly enough I have a friend in Scotland of all places who is a
binge drinker (beer) and he has just had a diagnosis of anaemia with his
liver enyzymes perfect. He has been told to eat dried apricots amongst other
things http://www.healthcastle.com/iron.shtml. He doesn't want to take iron
supplements because they cause constipation. I take and iron and vitamin C
fizzy tablet in water each morning - vitamin C aids absorption of iron in
the body and the bicarbonate in the fizzy tablet helps my GERD to the extent
that I only take Omeprazole every 3-4 days - I am on a strict GERD diet.
Your digestive conditions are far worse than mine, looks like.
I've recently been taking a vitamin D tablet per day, after hearing a
radio interview with a doctor who affirmed that almost no one has
enough vitamin D in their bodies due to being indoors almost all the
time with the air conditioning on (in america that is), and you mainly
get D from sunlight on the skin. It is necessary for the digestive
process as you'll know.
Now, I have a very fair complexion so have avoided exposure t the texan
sun; about 12 minutes is my limit.
And with no vision now, my outside mobility is limited. So I do tend to
be indoors almost all the time and consequently probably am low on
Vitamin D.
Post by Vanny
I hope that your doctor gets you sorted out.
Ta: I go back to the stomach chap on the 28th April. He may well put
that camera tube down into me stomach again to see if anything is
different.
I'm hopeful that staying off the fried food will be of some benefit.
Post by Vanny
Vanny
--
Ian
H McCollister
2009-03-22 00:50:01 UTC
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Post by Ian
Following an internal examination of the stomach and oesophagus, I was
put on Mexiane to treat the excess acid in the stomach, reflux.
Took the first on Thursday 27th February, and on the following Monday
evening I was afflicted with diarrhea that was so severe that I did not
make it to the toilet; the bedroom carpet had to be cleaned at a cost of
201 dollars!
I've never known anything like this.
And this diarrhea, or incontinence maybe I should call it, continued for
about 16 days.
I phoned the doctor's nurse following the first attack and she assured
me this medicine did not have such side effects, so I continued to take
it each day.
But as the diarrhea was dehydrating me to a dangerous level even though I
was drinking lots of bottled water,
I took the last one on Monday 10th. I ate nothing from midday on the
Monday to noon on Thursday, three days later.
The diarrhea lessened but continued until last Monday/Tuesday,
during which time I was excreting only liquid.
I've been put on a different, less powerful, medicine and am on the
second day of taking it so it has not had time to prove itself yet.
For some 20 or more years I have been in the habit of drinking Scotch,
well watered down with tap water, in the evening.
I probably get through 3 to 5 glasses. One 1.75 liter bottle lasts three
evenings or more.
So, does anyone know for sure if alcohol, even diluted, fights with
Mexiane and could cause that severe diarrhea?
The stomach specialist, when I reported the catastrophic diarrhea,
said none of his patients had experienced this but he'd heard of other
doctors' patients who had.
He was non-committal when I asked if the alcohol could be a factor; said
it was a possibility .
Anyone in here experienced this severe diarrhea when taking this or
any other medicine for reflux?
Bit of background information: I am just turned 70, no stomach trouble
until this reflux thing appeared last fall.
I stopped smoking on April 1st last year, after smoking heavily for 48
years, and my chest and lungs have improved hugely as a result.
I've lost most of the feeling in feet and ankles, the neurologist said
the booze has destroyed the nerves there, it is similar to the
condition diabetics get, peripheral neuropathy.
I've no sight now, two detached retinas; I was diagnosed with high
blood pressure about 2.5 years ago and am controlling it with diovan.
Otherwise, I think I'm in a fairly healthy condition but I know I could
do with more exercise but because of my limited mobility this is
restricted to about six minutes on the treadmill
each day.
Thanks in advance for any light you can throw on the cause of the
diarrhea/Mexiane matter.
--
Ian.
I've never heard of "Mexiane", at least not by that name. Googling it
sheds no light either - it only brings up this and other posts by you
that are versions of what you wrote above over the last several days.
Perhaps you're mispelling it.

Your doctor is misinformed if he told you that your reflux was caused by
excessive stomach acid. Your problem is a weak or malfunctioning lower
esophageal sphincter letting normal amounts of gastric reflux into the
esophagus.

If he actually told you that you had "excess stomach acid", you should
be looking for a different doctor - this is not a physician who
understands the pathophysiology of GERD.

HMc
Vanny
2009-03-22 08:35:58 UTC
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Howard,

I believe that it is Nexium. It is the only thing that make sense.

Vanny
Post by H McCollister
Post by Ian
Following an internal examination of the stomach and oesophagus, I was
put on Mexiane to treat the excess acid in the stomach, reflux.
Took the first on Thursday 27th February, and on the following Monday
evening I was afflicted with diarrhea that was so severe that I did not
make it to the toilet; the bedroom carpet had to be cleaned at a cost of
201 dollars!
I've never known anything like this.
And this diarrhea, or incontinence maybe I should call it, continued for
about 16 days.
I phoned the doctor's nurse following the first attack and she assured
me this medicine did not have such side effects, so I continued to take
it each day.
But as the diarrhea was dehydrating me to a dangerous level even though I
was drinking lots of bottled water,
I took the last one on Monday 10th. I ate nothing from midday on the
Monday to noon on Thursday, three days later.
The diarrhea lessened but continued until last Monday/Tuesday,
during which time I was excreting only liquid.
I've been put on a different, less powerful, medicine and am on the
second day of taking it so it has not had time to prove itself yet.
For some 20 or more years I have been in the habit of drinking Scotch,
well watered down with tap water, in the evening.
I probably get through 3 to 5 glasses. One 1.75 liter bottle lasts three
evenings or more.
So, does anyone know for sure if alcohol, even diluted, fights with
Mexiane and could cause that severe diarrhea?
The stomach specialist, when I reported the catastrophic diarrhea,
said none of his patients had experienced this but he'd heard of other
doctors' patients who had.
He was non-committal when I asked if the alcohol could be a factor; said
it was a possibility .
Anyone in here experienced this severe diarrhea when taking this or
any other medicine for reflux?
Bit of background information: I am just turned 70, no stomach trouble
until this reflux thing appeared last fall.
I stopped smoking on April 1st last year, after smoking heavily for 48
years, and my chest and lungs have improved hugely as a result.
I've lost most of the feeling in feet and ankles, the neurologist said
the booze has destroyed the nerves there, it is similar to the
condition diabetics get, peripheral neuropathy.
I've no sight now, two detached retinas; I was diagnosed with high
blood pressure about 2.5 years ago and am controlling it with diovan.
Otherwise, I think I'm in a fairly healthy condition but I know I could
do with more exercise but because of my limited mobility this is
restricted to about six minutes on the treadmill
each day.
Thanks in advance for any light you can throw on the cause of the
diarrhea/Mexiane matter.
--
Ian.
I've never heard of "Mexiane", at least not by that name. Googling it
sheds no light either - it only brings up this and other posts by you
that are versions of what you wrote above over the last several days.
Perhaps you're mispelling it.
Your doctor is misinformed if he told you that your reflux was caused by
excessive stomach acid. Your problem is a weak or malfunctioning lower
esophageal sphincter letting normal amounts of gastric reflux into the
esophagus.
If he actually told you that you had "excess stomach acid", you should
be looking for a different doctor - this is not a physician who
understands the pathophysiology of GERD.
HMc
Ian
2009-03-22 13:43:09 UTC
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Post by Vanny
Howard,
I believe that it is Nexium. It is the only thing that make sense.
Vanny
That could very well be it: I've been hearing it spoken by the locals
here, and after ten years, my ears are still not properly tuned to the
Texan accent!
Well, whatever the name, they have gone down the pan and the new stuff
is not causing diarrhea after four or five days.
--
Ian.
Ft Worth, TX
t***@gmail.com
2009-03-27 04:21:13 UTC
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Post by Vanny
Howard,
I believe that it is Nexium. It is the only thing that make sense.
Vanny
That could very well be it:  I've been hearing it spoken by the locals
here, and after ten years, my ears are still not properly tuned to the
Texan accent!
Well, whatever the name, they have gone down the pan and the new stuff
is not causing diarrhea after four or five days.
--
 Ian.
Ft Worth,  TX
Nexium, and all PPI's, gave me crazy diarrhea, stomach cramps, and flu-
like symptoms to the point I felt like I was going to die. If you did
not have this problem with diarrhea before you started taking the
medication, but now you do, try stopping the medicine for a couple of
weeks or so. Before I had surgery and was on differnet PPI's every
few weeks, it would take a good 10 days to get the medication out of
my system and for everything to return to normal. The PPI's were
miserable, and I tried Nexium, Prilosec, Prevacid, and Aciphex and
they all made me feel like complete shit after a week or so.
Gaviscon, and later reglan, were the only things that gave me some
relief before I had surgery. Also, concerning the drinking, if
you've made it to 70 without any problems why stop now?
Ian
2009-03-28 13:18:29 UTC
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Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by Ian
Well, whatever the name, they have gone down the pan and the new stuff
is not causing diarrhea after four or five days.
--
 Ian.
Ft Worth,  TX
Nexium, and all PPI's, gave me crazy diarrhea, stomach cramps, and flu-
like symptoms to the point I felt like I was going to die. If you did
not have this problem with diarrhea before you started taking the
medication, but now you do, try stopping the medicine for a couple of
I took myself off the Nexium after some 12 days, informing the
stomach doctor's nurse that I was doing so.
Your Nexium-related illness seems to have been worse than mine: I just
had that 3 weeks of diarrhea but felt well enough otherwise. Of course
I was very severely dehydrated so drank loads of bottled water; I
produced virtually no urine for about 2 weeks, which is not a good
sign!
Post by t***@gmail.com
weeks or so. Before I had surgery and was on differnet PPI's every
few weeks, it would take a good 10 days to get the medication out of
my system and for everything to return to normal. The PPI's were
miserable, and I tried Nexium, Prilosec, Prevacid, and Aciphex and
they all made me feel like complete shit after a week or so.
Gaviscon, and later reglan, were the only things that gave me some
relief before I had surgery. Also, concerning the drinking, if
you've made it to 70 without any problems why stop now?
This hasbeen my view on it whenever anyone chides me about my evening
drinking! But I'll raise it with my GP on wednesday, get his opinion.
--
Ian.
Ft Worth, TX

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