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Mrs. Dash without onion or garlic?
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Bob Arnold
2008-06-15 22:51:24 UTC
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Onion and garlic are big-time gerd triggers for me. I love Mrs. Dash
and similar no-salt spice combos, but I need one that doesn't have
onion or garlic. They all seem to have those. Are there any that don't?

Thanks.

Bob
Vanny
2008-06-16 07:25:13 UTC
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I regret to say that I am not in Mrs. Dash country, but onions are a staple
food in most fast foods - either the real thing or in powder form.

I empathise because I have been unable to eat onions since 1993 and I know
how hard it is to avoid foods with (traces) of onions in.

Vanny
Post by Bob Arnold
Onion and garlic are big-time gerd triggers for me. I love Mrs. Dash
and similar no-salt spice combos, but I need one that doesn't have
onion or garlic. They all seem to have those. Are there any that don't?
Thanks.
Bob
trigonometry1972@gmail.com |
2008-06-17 17:04:47 UTC
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Post by Bob Arnold
Onion and garlic are big-time gerd triggers for me. I love Mrs. Dash
and similar no-salt spice combos, but I need one that doesn't have
onion or garlic. They all seem to have those. Are there any that don't?
Thanks.
Bob
I suppose you could experiment with your own personal mix of
spices. I get my spices at the local health food store as they
cost less there than the expensive Shilling brand spices available
in the grocery store.

Since I've introduced the use of the digestive supplement betaine
HCL (6 10 grain capsules with the 2 larger meals of the day)
to increase stomach acidity in combination with sleeping
on a incline, can eat most things including onion and garlic.
The only foods I need to limit are vinegar or avoid are cafffiene
bearing
foods such as coffee.

Indeed, I gotten so I can sleep on the level most nights. Likely
because I increased my dose of the digestive supplement
rather than trying to use as little as possible. Understand I
tend to be overly cautious and slow to make changes.

I've been symptom free for 4 years doing what I mention above
after years of misery from following Doctors orders and using
their meds.

betaine_hcl/trig
Bob Arnold
2008-06-18 02:00:14 UTC
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Post by Bob Arnold
Onion and garlic are big-time gerd triggers for me. I love Mrs. Dash
and similar no-salt spice combos, but I need one that doesn't have
onion or garlic. They all seem to have those. Are there any that don't?
Thanks.
Bob
I suppose you could experiment with your own personal mix of
spices. I get my spices at the local health food store as they
cost less there than the expensive Shilling brand spices available
in the grocery store.
Since I've introduced the use of the digestive supplement betaine
HCL (6 10 grain capsules with the 2 larger meals of the day)
to increase stomach acidity in combination with sleeping
on a incline, can eat most things including onion and garlic.
The only foods I need to limit are vinegar or avoid are cafffiene
bearing
foods such as coffee.
Indeed, I gotten so I can sleep on the level most nights. Likely
because I increased my dose of the digestive supplement
rather than trying to use as little as possible. Understand I
tend to be overly cautious and slow to make changes.
I've been symptom free for 4 years doing what I mention above
after years of misery from following Doctors orders and using
their meds.
betaine_hcl/trig
Thanks. I think I might try making my own Mrs Dash sans onion and
garlic.

Congratulations on the betain working for you. Funny, I can consume
tons of vinegar, and do every meal. I don't think I have a high or low
acid problem, but rather a sensitivity to foods that relax the LES.

Bob
Bob Noble
2008-06-18 07:42:09 UTC
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Post by Bob Arnold
Congratulations on the betain working for you. Funny, I can consume
tons of vinegar, and do every meal. I don't think I have a high or low
acid problem, but rather a sensitivity to foods that relax the LES.
Bob
No Bob, that's not how it works.
You more likely have a relaxed/defective les all the time that certain foods
agitate more than others.
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Bob Noble
http://www.sonic.net/bnoble
H McCollister
2008-06-18 15:08:01 UTC
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Post by Bob Noble
Post by Bob Arnold
Congratulations on the betain working for you. Funny, I can consume
tons of vinegar, and do every meal. I don't think I have a high or low
acid problem, but rather a sensitivity to foods that relax the LES.
Bob
No Bob, that's not how it works.
You more likely have a relaxed/defective les all the time that certain foods
agitate more than others.
Some people have a low LES resting pressure, some have a normal resting
pressure but suffer from TILESR (transient inappropriate LES
relaxation). Those inappropriate relaxations come from certain triggers.
Classic triggers are alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, full stomach, and
certain spices - garlic among them.

The betaine thing....well, I'm in favor of whatever works to keep
someone asymptomatic of GERD. Even the placebo effect.

HMc
christophe
2008-06-20 19:20:05 UTC
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Howard writes: " Some people have a low LES resting pressure, some
have a normal resting
Post by H McCollister
pressure but suffer from TILESR (transient inappropriate LES
relaxation). Those inappropriate relaxations come from certain triggers.
Classic triggers are alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, full stomach, and
certain spices - garlic among them."
So would surgery still be helpful for this 2nd group of patients? How
would this condition be diagnosed? I have heard others argue that
anxiety also causes these transient and inappropriate relaxations.

I'm doing pretty well post fundoplication. I only had a 270 wrap and I
am almost eating anything I want 6 weeks post op. I still get
occasional gas pains, but that's about the sum total of my problems at
this stage. The earlier post fundo symptoms - which seemed to mimic
reflux - are all but gone. What is your view on partial wraps?
H McCollister
2008-06-21 14:06:01 UTC
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Post by christophe
Howard writes: " Some people have a low LES resting pressure, some
have a normal resting
Post by H McCollister
pressure but suffer from TILESR (transient inappropriate LES
relaxation). Those inappropriate relaxations come from certain triggers.
Classic triggers are alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, full stomach, and
certain spices - garlic among them."
So would surgery still be helpful for this 2nd group of patients? How
would this condition be diagnosed? I have heard others argue that
anxiety also causes these transient and inappropriate relaxations.
I'm doing pretty well post fundoplication. I only had a 270 wrap and I
am almost eating anything I want 6 weeks post op. I still get
occasional gas pains, but that's about the sum total of my problems at
this stage. The earlier post fundo symptoms - which seemed to mimic
reflux - are all but gone. What is your view on partial wraps?
The condition and function of the LES is part of the manometry
evaluation (both conventional manometry and impedance manometry).
Fundoplication would work fine in either LES situation.

I think anxiety gets blamed for many, many physical ailments in today's
world - likely far more than is physiologically possible. Having said
that, I honestly don't know how anxiety would affect the LES. I do know
that there are MANY anti-anxiety medications out there. Anxiety should
be every bit as manageable as reflux.

Partial fundoplications have higher failure rate than a full wrap.
Furthermore, it's been shown that even patients with poor motility
ultimately do well with a complete fundoplication. In my view, there are
very, very few reasons to ever do a partial fundoplication for GERD.

Other than the higher failure rate, there's no downside to them. They
tend to work well, right up until they stop working.

HMc
christophe
2008-06-22 08:07:10 UTC
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Post by Bob Arnold
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Post by christophe
Howard writes: " Some people have a low LES resting pressure, some
have a normal resting
Post by H McCollister
pressure but suffer from TILESR (transient inappropriate LES
relaxation). Those inappropriate relaxations come from certain triggers.
Classic triggers are alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, full stomach, and
certain spices - garlic among them."
So would surgery still be helpful for this 2nd group of patients? How
would this condition be diagnosed? I have heard others argue that
anxiety also causes these transient and inappropriate relaxations.
I'm doing pretty well post fundoplication. I only had a 270 wrap and I
am almost eating anything I want 6 weeks post op. I still get
occasional gas pains, but that's about the sum total of my problems at
this stage. The earlier post fundo symptoms - which seemed to mimic
reflux - are all but gone. What is your view on partial wraps?
The condition and function of the LES is part of the manometry
evaluation (both conventional manometry and impedance manometry).
Fundoplication would work fine in either LES situation.
I think anxiety gets blamed for many, many physical ailments in today's
world - likely far more than is physiologically possible. Having said
that, I honestly don't know how anxiety would affect the LES. I do know
that there are MANY anti-anxiety medications out there. Anxiety should
be every bit as manageable as reflux.
Partial fundoplications have higher failure rate than a full wrap.
Furthermore, it's been shown that even patients with poor motility
ultimately do well with a complete fundoplication. In my view, there are
very, very few reasons to ever do a partial fundoplication for GERD.
Other than the higher failure rate, there's no downside to them. They
tend to work well, right up until they stop working.
HMc
That was a brilliant answer. Thanks very much.
I really don't know why my specialist opted for the partial
fundoplication. I had no obvious motility problems at the manometry
and, as you said, the research seems to suggest that total
fundoplication seems to work whether a patient has motility problems
or not.
The specialist (at the post op consultation) did say that even though
it was a partial wrap, it was a very good one. He said it is also
tight (which took me some time to get my head around). More
encouragingly, like you, he was quite up front about the long term
results of the two wraps. He said the partial wrap had higher failure
rates at 5 years. If I get 5 years feeling like this, I'll be happy
provided it can be re-done.
I really appreciate your contribution here. I'm not really a pushy
person and didn't push for second opinions before surgery. [Perhaps, I
should have.] Anyway, I'm glad that you think the wrap will work well
for a while.
This leads me to my second line of questions, namely,
In your experience, how long do partial wraps last on average? Can
they last indefinitely? Is there anything I can do to preserve the
wrap? How easy is it to do a redo after a partial wrap?

Occasionally, I still have the odd problems with swallowing and only
yesterday was standing over the toilet almost gagging, spitting up
heaps of saliva. However, that was 5 minutes of discomfort in almost 2
weeks of eating almost anything I want! I guess this suggests that the
wrap is still functioning at least. Even though I feel great, I've
still got to concentrate and eat relatively slowly. One of the nurses
suggested that I should have half a cup of warm water before eating. I
think I'm going to have to resume this practice.
Thanks again and best wishes,
chris
Bob Arnold
2008-06-20 18:38:58 UTC
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Post by Bob Noble
Post by Bob Arnold
Congratulations on the betain working for you. Funny, I can consume
tons of vinegar, and do every meal. I don't think I have a high or low
acid problem, but rather a sensitivity to foods that relax the LES.
Bob
No Bob, that's not how it works.
You more likely have a relaxed/defective les all the time that certain foods
agitate more than others.
What's not how it works?
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